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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2010, 08:41:54 PM »

Well i found two level 3's, one military issue, the other undercover german police.  Though quite expensive ($175)  I like the look of the ol flak jackets, and found one here, though sadly it's British.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/for/1559966985.html
I really want a ukrainian/russian vest (seeing as i'm ukrainian) and eventually a fully ukrainian loadout once i go visit to ukraine.  Hopefully get an svd to go with that.

I know the vest don't add any protection, i would be going for just looks, and i was kidding about if the real vest counted as stopping a death by bb.

"Sadly it's British", WTF is that supposed to mean? Are you being prejudice towards the U.K.?
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2010, 08:49:31 PM »

If you're going to rant and rave about a product take a look at it closer.  DragonSkin may stop a "magazine" full of 7.62x39  but it doesn't hold up under temperature.  The reason no one is using it is because the adhesive used to keep the plates in place deteriorates under high heat.  This means disk's will slip out of place and you loose any protection you may have had.
Not to mention testing showed it couldn't hold up well against 7.62x54R
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2010, 08:51:09 PM »

Yeah it did
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2010, 08:55:37 PM »

7.62x54......not 7.62x39....BIG difference

A steel core 54R round will punch right through that thing.  Thats what its designed for.  What you say it take was a full magazine of x39.  Much smaller.

DragonSkin is a novel and new concept....but its just not ready for primetime yet. 
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2010, 08:38:36 PM »

I'm surprised I didn't see this earlier.

My apologies for a late post, but I should mention that 7.62x54R steel-cored rounds have a level of penetration often compared to a light-armor-piercing .30-06.

Tungsten-cored 7.62x54R PB4 dedicated armor-piercing rounds will punch a neat, clean hole straight through an inch and a half of cold-rolled steel vehicle armor and still have a terrifying amount of energy coming out the back end. This is also fired from an SVD, which accounts for a notable loss of energy compared to something like a 91-30 PU.
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2010, 10:30:28 PM »

I'm surprised I didn't see this earlier.

My apologies for a late post, but I should mention that 7.62x54R steel-cored rounds have a level of penetration often compared to a light-armor-piercing .30-06.

Tungsten-cored 7.62x54R PB4 dedicated armor-piercing rounds will punch a neat, clean hole straight through an inch and a half of cold-rolled steel vehicle armor and still have a terrifying amount of energy coming out the back end. This is also fired from an SVD, which accounts for a notable loss of energy compared to something like a 91-30 PU.

THe .30-06 is used in the garand, bar and springfield rifles right?
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2010, 12:18:47 AM »

Yep except the bar is I couple different weapons but the main version does.
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Re: quick question about protection
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2010, 02:01:31 AM »

I can't think of any other .30-06, buddy.

Bear in mind I'm not talking about .30-06 green-tip M2 ball rounds. Those are kinda scary, and probably right up there with PB4 rounds, maybe even a little superior in terms of penetration.

In terms of sheer muzzle energy, a standard steel-cored light ball 7.62x54R projectile generates a few percent less muzzle energy than a .30-06, but is notably ballistically superior to .308Win Match. Granted, quality control on .308 Win Match is much higher, making it inherently more accurate than your run of the mill 147gr. light ball rounds.

7N14 projectiles designed for use with the SVD Dragunov rifle weigh in at 158gr and are considered as being capable of sub-MOA at 1,000 meters. Not yards, meters.
The round itself has a reputation for punching holes in all kinds of armor in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can't quote any specifics of measured penetration for LPS, SCLB, SCHB, 7N1 or 7N14 bullets, but I can say for certain that the PB4 projectile is rated as being capable of effectively penetrating as much as 1.250" of cold-rolled steel vehicle armor at 100 yards.

Honestly, I wouldn't trust *any* personal body armor, I don't care how shiny and new, to protect my soft, flabby and somewhat fragile meatbag body against something that hellacious, no matter what theories or principles upon which it was designed.
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